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a captaincy two years before his succession to the Spinks, a Nonjuring divine, whose portrait was dukedom, and no higher military rank is recorded engraved by Vertue, and who was buried in 1727 of his (see Doyle's Official Baronage'). I must in St. Faith's Church, near St. Paul's, where there also protest against DR. LEWINS's inclusion of me is a monument to his memory. Mrs. Ann Elmes among those who regard the chanson as "a savage died in 1686, having placed a monument in Warmexpression of exultation at the news of Marl-ington Church to the memory of her husband, borough's death." On the contrary, I asserted my her son, and herself; the inscription is given in belief that it is nothing of the kind, and have Bridge's Northants' (ii. 482). The last male drawn upon myself in consequence a scolding. I representative of the family of Elmes, of Warmingshould like to have references to the sage French ton, Lilford, and Green's Norton, was William critics who see scathing satire in the song, and Elmes, of Cotterstock, who died in 1699, and was believe the disasters of Blenheim and Ramillies to buried at Lilford-see his monumental inscription be avenged therein. (Bridges's Northants,' ii. 245). Elmes Spinks, of Aldwinkle, left an only son, Elmes, and two daughters, Deborah and Ann. Elmes Spinks, the drew, Holborn, Esq., who on July 29, 1731, as younger, had a son, William Spinckes, of St. Anheir of William Browne, the founder of the wellknown charitable institution in Stamford, Browne's Hospital, nominated the Warden of the Hospital (see Archdeacon Wright's 'Domus Dei of Stamford,' p. 164).

105, Albany Road, Camberwell.


“THE ROASTING OF A CAT" (8th S. i. 514)."It was considered an encouragement to good behaviour to throw a few cats into the fire at the festival of St. John,' says M. de Méril; and in fact the Abbé Lebeuf [sic] quotes a receipt for one hundred sols parisis (coinage of the period), signed by a certain Lucas Pommereux in 1575, for having supplied for three years all the cats required for the fire on St. John's Day, as


"The author of the 'Miroir de Contentement' speaks:

D'un chat qui, d'une course brève,
Monta au feu Saint Jean en Grève.*

In the journal of Héroard [Hérvard, see p. 179], the
physician, we read that Louis XIII., when Dauphin,
interceded with Henri IV. for the lives of the cats about
to be burned at the festival of St. John.† These cruel
deeds of the past were no doubt the effect of the popular
terror of sorcerers, and of the cat as their supposed
familiar. Fear has always been a strong incentive to
cruelty." The Cat, Past and Present,' from the French
of M. Champfleury, with supplementary notes by Mrs.
Cashel Hoey, London, 1885, ch. vi. p. 34, App. vi. p. 179.

The bonfires on St. John's Eve in Ireland,. but not the cats, have a notice in 'N. & Q.,' 3rd S iv. 168, 251, 318; xii. 42 (as to the practice of the Irish in Liverpool).

For the Abbé Lebeuf (cor. Leboeuf) on cats see his dissertation in 'Le Mercure de France,' to which there is a reference in Mrs. Hoey's work, p. 177. ED. MARSHALL.

ELMES FAMILY (8th S. i. 495).-MR. HILL BATHGATE'S MS. evidently belonged to Mrs. Ann Elmes, the widow of Thomas Elmes, of Warmington, co. Northampton. She was the daughter of Robert Clark, of Fort, co. Kent, by whom she had nine daughters and four sons. As her only surviving son died in 1653, no doubt it was 66 a sad & desmall yeare" with her. One of her daughters, Martha, married the Rev. Edmund Spinks, Rector of Castor, by whom she had two sons, Elmes Spinks, of Aldwinkle, and the Rev. Nathaniel

"A cat who, after a short run, went into the St. John's Fire on the (Place de) Grève."

"See Appendix [p. 179]. He writes on the 24th June, 1604, at Saint Germain:-'The Dauphin taken to the king, who took him to the queen. He obtained leave to spare the lives of the cats about to be burned in the bonfires (on St. John's Day).'"

the descendants of William Spinckes I shall be If MR. HILL BATHGATE can assist me in tracing grateful to him. I wish to find the heir of William Spinckes, as he is the heir of William Browne, the founder, and as such heir entitled to considerable privileges, under the charters of Henry VII. and James I., incorporating the hospital.

shall be pleased to lend to MR. HILL BATHGATE, I have pedigrees of the Elmes family, which I if, after referring to Bridges and Wright, he cares to prosecute his inquiries further.



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members of the family of Elmes, there is evidently Although this query refers only to existing a lack of information about Anne Elmes, of 16531670, who might possibly be met with in one of in the 'Genealogist's Guide.' The following notes the three printed pedigrees of the name mentioned may also be useful :

1. John Elmes, of co. Huntingdon, married Hon. Editha Mordaunt, daughter of Sir John Mordaunt, of Turvey, summoned as a baron in 1532.

2. Collins says that James Elmes married Anne, daughter of Sir William Yelverton, retained in 1474 for Edward IV.'s French wars, ancestor of the Earls of Sussex (Collins's ' Baronetage,' ii. 166),

In modern Yelverton pedigrees this Anne is said to have married Thomas, son of Sir John Jermy,


3. Anthony Elmes, of Bowlednay (or Bowney), co. Oxford, married Margaret, daughter of Sir Humphrey Forster, of Aldermaston, High Sheriff of Berkshire in 1532, and his daughter Margaret Elmes married (1) Richard Spire, (2) her cousin Daniel Forster, born in 1588.

4. Frances, daughter of Thomas Elmes, married as first wife of Col. Sir Arthur Hazlerigg, second baronet, who died 1660, and to whom Cromwell wrote the well-known letter of September 3, 1650, the day before the battle of Dunbar.

5. Elizabeth, daughter of Thomas Elmes, of Green Norton, co. Northampton, was second wife of William Halford, of Welham, High Sheriff of Leicester, 1616. Her great-grandson was created a baronet in 1706.

6. Mary, daughter of Elmes, of Bowlednay, co. Oxford, married Henry I'Anson, LL.D. (ancestor of l'Anson, of Corfe Castle), who was born 1621, SIGMA.

and died 1682.

"GRANA PRO AURO" (8th S. i. 493; ii. 71).DR. TAYLOR'S interesting note does not directly answer ALONzo's question, which related to the translation of the Latin words "grana pro auro. ." Are they intended to mean "grains for (weighing) gold"?

The box on which they are inscribed contained a small disc of copper, marked with two dots, and was evidently a two-grain weight. It is but little oxydized, and probably differs little from its original weight. Its weight at the present time is 1.869 grain of our present standard, one grain being equal to 0.934 troy grain" (Chisholm's 'Weighing and Measuring,' p. 57). It would appear from this that the grains are nearer to the new barley grains than to the old wheat grains. But they do not exactly correspond with the present grains. Why is this? The diminution in weight seems to be too much to have been caused by rust, if "it is but little oxydized."


COMMON NOUNS FROM NAMES OF SCIENTISTS (8th S. ii. 105). It is not easy to see what words P. J. A. wishes to include in his list. Plants and minerals named after scientists may probably be reckoned by the hundred. Of the former it will be sufficient to mention dahlia, fuchsia, lobelia, escallonia, babingtonia, linnæa, darwinia; of the latter, brewsterite, davyne, haüyne, wollastonite, millerite, whewellite, danaite, glauberite. If "kyanism" is included, why not boucherism, burnettism, and pasteurism (or pasteurization)? If "daguerreotype" and "talbotype," why not woodburytype and wothlytype? To inventions, such as orrery" and "vernier" may be added jacquard, wedgewood, guillotine, mac


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adamization, mackintosh, hansom, bodley, biggin, monteith, hollander, strawsonizer, woodite, and many others. Such words as tontine, fourierism, brougham, garibaldi, spencer, melton, petersham, chesterfield, and martinet do not, I suppose, come R. PEARSE CHOPE. within the category.

As daguerreotype is included in the list given at this reference, we may also add Dallastype, Woodburytype, Talbotype, and Goupilgravure. These less in course of time they will lose that distinction, words are all spelt with capitals at present, but doubtas daguerreotype has done. Burnetize, macadamize, are

the list.

Chingford Hatch,


two more to add to C. A. WARD.

CAMP-BALL (8th S. ii. 70, 137).-The following is Major Moor's account of the game somewhat abridged :

"Goals were pitched 150 to 200 yards apart, formed of the thrown-off clothes of the competitors. Each party has two goals, 10 or 15 yards apart. The parties, 10 to 15 a side, stand in a line, facing their own goals and each other, at 10 yards distance, midway between the goals and nearest that of their adversaries. An indifferent spectator throws up the ball-the size of a cricket ball-midway between the confronted players, whose object is to seize and convey it between their own goals. The shock of the first onset to catch the falling ball is very great, and the player who seizes it speeds home, pursued by his opponents, through whom he has to make his way, aided by the jostlings of his own side. If caught and held, or in imminent danger of it, he throws the ball-but must in no case give it-to a comrade who, if it be not arrested in its course, or be jostled away by his eager foes, catches it and hurries home, winning the notch or snotch, if he contrives to carry-not throw-it between the goals. A holder of the ball caught with it in his possession loses a snotch. At the loss of each of these the game recommences, after a breathing time. Seven or nine snotches are the game, and these it will sometimes take two or three hours to win. At times a large football was used, and the game was then called "kicking camp'; and if played with shoes on was termed savage camp.'

Ray says this game in his time prevailed most in Norfolk, Suffolk, and Essex. It was new to Sir T. Browne on his settling in Norfolk. Strutt, an East Anglian, omits it from his 'Sports and Pastimes of the English People.' It is derived from A.-S. camp, a combat; Ger. kampf; Isl. kempa, a champion; Wel. camp, a feat or game; champ, a scuffle." 'Campar, or pleyar at foott balle, pedilusor; campyon, or champyon" ( Pr. Pv.,' p. 60).

In meadows or pasture (to grow the more fine)
Let campers be camping in any of thine;
Which if you do suffer when low is the spring,
You gain to yourself a commodious thing.


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quoted by L. L. K. might be given. The game is from 1 Cor. xi. In the 24th verse are these words: said to have died away, owing to the many (and oft-Take, eat'; in Latin, Accipite et Manducate.' This is times fatal) accidents that happened to players. Two men were killed at a grand match at Easton, Suffolk, about the close of last century (Nall., E. A. Glossary'). W. B. GERISH.


THE SOLENT (8th S. ii. 107).-Why the editor of 'The General Gazetteer' should have given the

name of the well-known rocks which lie off the west end of the Isle of Wight to the channel that separates that island from the mainland is one of those things which, as Lord Dundreary would have said, " no fellow can understand." Old Camden says the rocks were "so call'd because they are very sharp and pointed."



The Solent was "Solvente" in Bede, iv. 16. The term "Needles" can be carried back at once about fifty years, for in England's Gazetteer,' 1751, Lymington, in like manner as in 1796, is "a small but populous seaport, on a hill that has a fine prospect of the Isle of Wight in the narrow part of the streight called the Needles." Camden states the origin of the name when he remarks of the rocks: "But the most dangerous are the Needles, so called because they are very sharp and pointed" (vol. i. col. 144, Gibson, 1722).

believed to be the original of Maundy, and the word was Sir Thomas More, in his Answer to the first parte of certainly used to signify the Last Supper of the Lord. the poysoned booke which a nameless hereticke hath named the Supper of the Lord,' says, 'In hys seconde parte he treateth of the maundye of Christ with hys Apostles upon the Sheare Thursday, wherein our Saviour actually dyd institute the blessed Sacrament,' etc."


GEORGE WASHINGTON'S ENGLISH ANCESTRY (8th S. ii. 167).-The article of mine for which MR. WILLIAM E. GREY inquires was contributed to Messrs. Cassell's book 'Abbeys and Churches.' It is called 'Great Brington and the Tombs of the Washingtons.' I unluckily missed Mr. Hartshorne's letter in the Times of July 27, to which MR. GREY refers; but I looked it up upon reading MR. GREY'S query, and perhaps I may be permitted to correct a very erroneous statement which it contains. Mr. Hartshorne says, "Mr. Penderel-Brodhurst has ascertained after much research' that the first American ancestors of the President, John and Laurence, were sons of Laurence Washington, Rector of Putleigh [? Purleigh], Essex." I have not ascertained any such thing. I am aware that such a discovery has of late been announced; but I imagine that nobody is competent to assert it positively. What I did help to discover was the connexion between the President's ancestors and the Brodhursts of Lilleshall; and that discovery was first made public in my article in Abbeys and Churches.' How far it has helped specialists in the Washington pedigree I am unaware; but the credit of the "find" belongs chiefly to my lamented friend the late Col. Chester. It may be useful to state briefly the exact connexion between the two families. Ann Washington, née Pope, the great-grandmother of George Washington, was the widow of Walter Brodhurst, eldest In both Darlington and Lanchester churches, in son of Wm. Brodhurst, attorney-at-law, of LillesDurham county, there are ancient carvings.


MISERERE CARVINGS (8th S. i. 413, 481; ii. 9, 113).—There are a number of miserere carvings, executed seven or eight years ago, in Bakewell Church, Derbyshire. The carvers were permitted to select their own subjects, and one of them chose to illustrate the illusory "three acres and a cow," of which there was, at that time, so much talk. J. PENDEREL-Brodhurst.

Bedford Park, Chiswick.

R. B.

I should be much obliged if any of your readers would refer me to any examples of these grotesque carvings which exist in various parts of the country. Will any one at Bristol tell me if an illustrated account exists of those in the Cathedral there; also whether there are any at St. Mary Redcliffe? Do not the college chapels at Oxford contain examples? All communications may be sent direct. T. CANN HUGHES, M.A.

The Groves, Chester.

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hall, in Shropshire, and Bradnop, in Staffordshire.
Her son by her first husband, also a Walter Brod-
hurst, was consequently half-brother to Washing-
ton's grandfather, and great-uncle to Washington
Bedford Park, Chiswick, W.

tators mark this as a few years earlier than 1600.
"ET TU, BRUTE ?" (8th S. ii. 108.)-Commer-
J. Payne Collier (vol. vii. p. 47) points out that in
'The True Tragedy of Richard, Duke of York,"
Lond., 1594, there is the line-

Et tu, Brute! Wilt thou stab Cæsar too? while Malone refers to its possible existence in the old Latin play on the death of Cesar, 1582, now lost. There is much the same in F. A. Marshall's note, 'Irving Shakespeare' (vol. v. p. 147). But the source of the form in this line is still unknown. ED. MARSHALL.

"TO TAKE THE CAKE" (8th S. i. 69, 176, 364). -A short time ago I started with a farmer to visit Sutton Walls, near Hereford, and in conversation the gentleman mentioned that in his youth wakes used to be held in the different parishes in the neighbourhood, at which the youths and men congregated to test their prowess in fighting and wrestling. The winner won the cake." I made

a note, and asked particulars. He said the people were divided into sections. Those least skilful first commenced, the winner going on till worsted. The ultimate winner then claimed the cake, which was made beforehand, and put on the top of a stick some eighteen inches long. This he held against all comers during the meeting, and, of course, strutted about with the finest and bestlooking damsel he could lay hold of. D. C. C.

VESEY FAMILY (8th S. i. 414, 503).-MR. W. E. LAYTON is mistaken in saying that the Vesey family, of Hintlesham Priory, ceased in the time of Charles II. The last proprietor was Thomas Augustus Vesey, buried Sept. 7, 1804. He left the property to his housekeeper, who left it to a person called her nephew, but who was known to stand in a nearer relationship to Mr. Vesey and her. He sold it to the Misses Lloyd, of Hintlesham Hall, from whom it descended to the present proprietor, Col. Lloyd - Anstruther. There are mural tablets to the Veseys in this church, temp. Charles II.; floor slabs (one with Beaumont bearing Vesey on an escutcheon in the centre), temp. George I. and II.; and a hatchment of Beaumont impaling Vesey. There is also a monument in Whatfield Church to them. WILLIAM DEANE. Hintlesham Rectory, Ipswich.

NICHOLLS: BRONTE (8th S. ii. 107, 178).-I think this copy of the memorial tablet, given in the admirable 'Life of Charlotte Brontë' by the late Mrs. Gaskell, will sufficiently prove that I have not made a mistake in spelling the name of Mr. Nicholls :

Adjoining lie the remains of
Charlotte, Wife
Of the

Rev. Arthur Bell Nicholls, A.B.,
and Daughter of the Rev. P. Brontë,
A.B. Incumbent.

She died March 31st, 1855,
In the 39th year of her age.

A West of England friend, and an indefatigable searcher after Brontëiana, often writes to me, as one living in the neighbourhood of Charlotte Brontë's wanderings, of her since famous family. It happens that with the coming of the copy of N. & Q' of the second reference comes also a letter from my friend, telling me, "When Nicholls (Rev. A.), the husband of C. B., passes away.... He has married again, and is living in King's

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County, Ireland." Of this I had formerly heard. I should fancy the earnest author of 'The Brontë Country,' who lives not very far out of Dewsbury, will have a more correct acquaintance with any fact concerning the Brontës. HERBERT HARDY.

Earl's Heaton, Dewsbury.

The Rev. Patrick Brontë died June 7, 1861, having survived the last of his children, Charlotte, six years and two months. He was eighty-four years old. Mr. Nicholls, the husband of Charlotte, who had remained with the old man at Haworth after his wife's death, was disappointed of the Ireland. The following paragraph appeared in the incumbency of Haworth, and returned to his native Manchester City News of Oct. 31, 1891:

"The Rev. Arthur Bell Nicholls, the husband of Charlotte Brontë, lives in an Ulster village, and occathe romance of his life." sionally preaches. He maintains a resolute silence on

J. H. N.

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Will Ch―m resign, or continue in place? Is a question of doubtful dispute. Peace, blockheads! there can be no doubt in the case, He's already resigned-to Lord B-."-P. 13. "Instead of the old, improper, and worn-out phrases of resigned and appointed, they will with much more precision and propriety say-such a one has been Buted out of, or 1m-Buted into this or that high office and employment. For it is notorious that, as Cicero says,—

Non docti, sed facti; non instituti, sed Im-Buti sunt, Part v. p. 142.


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The treasures of Agamemnon; aye, the bones
Perchance, then Greece, in him of all the thrones
The leader, when at Aulis there was heard
The gathering after Helen.

I would carefully note the "then" and the "when." Greece then flourished, when under Agamemnon's leadership it assembled at Aulis on the way to Troy. Agamemnon was the leader and representative of all the Greeks. We can understand, with a little allowance for poetical fancy, that the Greece of that age, now reduced to bones and ashes, is interred with its

leader and representative in the tomb at Mycena. I should not care to alter "lies" into "lie." There are passages to be found in good writers where (perhaps after the Greek fashion) a verb in the singular is followed by plural neuters converging on a comprehensive noun in the singular. Thus, in this instance, the treasures of the leader, the bones of his warriors and people, Greece itself, lies interred in the tomb of its representative in the royal city. It comes to the same thing if you take parenthetically all between "lies interred and "then Greece." "Perchance," because most of the very bones may be gone ; "then Greece," i. e., "what was then Greece."

A. W. C.

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The passage which gravels your correspondent may be made to yield sense by a change of punctuation. Thus :

Only the lizard on the giant stones

Moves in Mycenæ,-moves, for this vain word
Affrights him from his wont, where lie interred
The treasures of Agamemnon; aye, the bones;
Perchance then Greece in him, of all her thrones
The leader, &c.

That is, Greece may be regarded as lying interred in Agamemnon by reason of his supremacy over her collective rulers in the expedition against Troy. I offer the suggestion for what it is worth.


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ARCHBISHOP TENISON'S ARMS (8th S. ii. 148) A MS. in my possession, containing miscellaneous collections of various heralds and others of the sixteenth to the eighteenth centuries, gives the following arms in trick, which from the handwriting I should say was about two hundred years old :"Gu., a bend engrl. az. betw. three leopards' faces jessant-de-lys or." Below the shield, which is ensigned with a mitre, is written, "Tho. Tenison: B: of Ca: Lord Bishop of Canterbury." Papworth assigns this coat to the family of Dennis. Rye's 'Norfolk Armories' gives the fess embattled coat (referred to by SIGMA TAU) to "Archd. of Norfolk."


BLOUNT, Earl of Devon, or EARL OF DEVONSHIRE (8th S. ii. 148).-Your correspondent's puzzle is not unnatural, yet is easy to explain. The title

of Devon (not Devonshire) was originally bestowed on the family of Redvers, the daughter and heir of which house carried it to the Courtenays. They having forfeited the title by the attainder of the earl (of the elder branch) in 1461, the said elder branch having become extinct in 1556, and the younger making no claim to the title, a fresh earldom of Devon was created for the Blounts in 1603, which again became extinct in 1606. It was not until within living memory that the ancient peerage was revived in the younger branch of the Courtenays. The earldom of Devonshire is entirely a separate title, and has always been in the Cavendish family, now merged in the dukedom. "Rivers" is simply another form of Redvers, both which were Latinized as Ripariis. HERMENTRUDE.

Is not MR. J. B. FLEMING acting his own cuttlefish? The Courtenays have long been styled indifferently Earls of Devon or of Devonshire. There can be little doubt that Devonshire would be more strictly accurate, for Devon is, after all, an abbreviation, which is only possible as the name of the county because it is not the name of a town. It is probable that the title of "Devon" was fixed, when revived in the Courtenay family in 1831, to distinguish it from the earldom of Devonshire held by the Cavendishes. The names Rivers and De Redvers are synonymous.


'HISTORY OF THE REIGN OF GEORGE III.' (8th S. ii. 167).-This appears to be the first volume of Robert Macfarlane's 'The History of the Reign of George III., King of Great Britain,' London, 1770. Other volumes came out in 1782, 1794, 1796. 8vo. See Lowndes, "R. Macfar lane." ED. MARSHALL.

VILLA: SIMS (8th S. i. 493; ii. 53, 91, 175).— MR. HIPWELL mentions a cleric who was Rector

of Hawkinge and Curate of Folkestone. Perhaps I may note that it seems to have been customary to hold these charges together. The Rev. John Sackette (of C.C.C., Camb., B.A. 1691, M.A. 1694) held them from 1699 till his death in 1753. He wrote a good many small translations and other minor poetry in the magazines of the time. There is a version of Psalm cli. (which might do to add to Tate and Brady) in the Gentleman's Magazine for March, 1745, and I have seen two or three more pieces, but cannot just now hit upon my references. Hawkinge is now written Huckinge, and is held with another little parish, Bicknor. Both are very small.

Longford, Coventry.


PORTRAIT OF GEORGE III. (8th ii. 45, 75, 110, 139, 176).—In addition to those already referred to, I may mention that there are two of the same pictures of George III. and Queen Charlotte, by Ramsay, at Mount Kennedy, County Wicklow,

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