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"Ye'll no be the waur for a jag afore ye gang." The scene was beautiful and touching, and it was easy and very pleasant to provoke. I have known many similar in their hospitality, but never another who managed the proceedings in the same way, or used the same term for the parting cup. But as my friend was a native of Stirlingshire, and passed his days in Glasgow and the West of Scotland, it is a safe inference that the word is still in use in

these parts. See also Encyclopaedic Dict.,' s.v. 66 Jag. THOMAS BAYNE.

Helensburgh, N.B.

"EATING POOR JACK" (8th S. ii. 529; iii. 76, 131).—Mr. Bloundelle-BurTON slips in saying, at the second reference, that Habington "exclaims, 'Vaunt wretched herring and Poore John!"" Let me correct your correspondent by quoting the passage in full from Elton's edition, p. 244:I (who still sinne for company) was there, And tasted of the glorious supper, where Meate was the least of wonder; though the nest O' th' Phoenix rifled seem'd t' amaze the feast, And th' ocean left so poore, that it alone

Could since vaunt wretched herring and poore John. F. ADAMS.

105, Albany Road, Camberwell, S.E. Surely "hacer penitencia," in the mouth of a Spanish Amphytrion, merely means now-MR. GIBBS uses the present tense "to take pot-luck"! I certainly never found it to mean what MR. GIBBS calls bacalao, and Velasquez and others call bacallao; though the latter is the Spanish equivalent for "Poor Jack."


"THE HARROWING OF HELL' (6th S. i. 155, 266, 286).—I failed to mention in my query at the first of the above references that the curious original picture of this subject by Albert Dürer is in my possession. It is on panel, thirty-seven by thirty-one inches, and signed with the painter's W. I. R. V. monagram and dated 1510.

HERALDS' VISITATIONS (8th S. ii. 408, 473, 490).-Noble's 'History of Heralds' College' contains an ample list of visitations, all MSS., among which several are undated, ex. gr., Bucks, Cambs., Cornwall, Devon, Essex, Hants, Hunts, Leicester, Lincs., Norfolk, Northampts., Salop, Somerset, Suffolk, Surrey, Sussex; these sixteen are each placed at the head of its county, as though primitive. Of course Noble's book is an old story now, and the above documents may have since his time been further discriminated; but, seeing that we have so much printed matter before us, it would be desirable to hear more definitely hereon. Noble states that the earliest commission for a visitation was issued in 1528, yet one visitation is known to be dated 1412, say 13-14 Hen. IV., ascribed to Norroy's deputy. At this date John Otherlake, otherwise known as March, King at

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Arms," acted also as Norroy. Besides the numerous volumes issued by the Harleian Society, Mr. Joseph Foster has reproduced several, also Messrs. Howard, Vivian, Colby, Metcalfe, &c., and the Surtees Society. Full details of the whole would A. HALL. make a volume of itself. 13, Paternoster Row.

TENNYSON AND 'THE GEM' (8th S. iii. 8, 57, 93).-According to the article on The Gem which appeared in the Publishers' Circular, Aug. 15, 1891, that annual was only issued during the four years 1829 to 1832. I have a copy of the issue for 1831, which contains three poems by A. Tennyson, Esq., viz., 'No More' (p. 87), ́Anacreontics' (p. 131), and 'A Fragment' (pp. 242-3). J. F. MANSERGH.

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DENTON MSS. (8th S. iii. 126).—-MR. HIPWELL'S reference to the " many copies" of John Denton's Accompt of the most considerable Estates and Families in the County of Cumberland, from the Conquest unto the Beginning of the Reign of K. James,' suggests that he is not aware that this very valuable document was printed in 1887, under the editorship of Chancellor Ferguson, as the second of the "Tract Series" of the Cumberland and Westmorland Antiquarian and Archeological Society.

Q. V.

DESCENDANTS OF THOMAS À BECKET (8th S. iii. 127).-There can be no very near connexions, for no brother of the archbishop is known. Robertson's 'Life' of him, p. 353.



Longford, Coventry. Some few years ago, at the exhumation of some remains at Canterbury, which were at first supposed to be the relics of St. Thomas, a letter appeared in the Daily Telegraph, over the joint signatures of W. à Beckett-Turner and Arthur C. William à Beckett, which implied that the writers claimed kindred with the archbishop. It may be of interest to mention that in a petition to Parliament (1 Hen. VII.) there are some genealogical details of a family of Becket holding property in Woolwich and Plumstead ('Rolls of Parliament,' vol. vi. p. 324A). NATHANIEL HONE.


JOHN PALMER (8th S. iii. 87, 133).—John Palmer was one of the many persons whose services were celebrated by halfpenny tokens about

and receive the sacrament. It is possible that he may have made more than one voyage to the Levant, but it is not easy to understand that he

1794. In my collection I have one without date. Obv., A mail coach and four, with long-whipped driver and guard; one passenger inside and G.R. on panel of door. Inscription, “Mail Coach Half-was chief factor for Mr. Willoughby at the Porte. penny. Payable in London. To Trade expedition and to Property protection." Rev., "To | J. Palmer, Esq. this is inscribed as a token of Gratitude for benefits reced from the establishment of Mail Coaches. | J. F." R. HUDSON.


Mr. Willoughby may have had a factor at Constantinople, but not at the Porte, but it is more likely he had an agent in the city, a member of the Levant Company. It is possible Liston went out as supercargo on board ship. HYDE CLARKE.

LATREILLE (8th S. iii. 49).—K. H. B. will find I must beg leave, with all due deference, to an excellent biography of "Pierre André Latreille, correct some of the statements of MR. COLEMAN. naturaliste français," in vol. xxix. pp. 850-54 of Lady Madelina Palmer was a daughter of Alex- the Nouvelle Biographie Générale, published by ander, fourth Duke of Gordon, and not of a Duke Firmin-Didot Frères in 1859, with the main sources of Richmond, and she did not marry John Palmer, of information from A. J. L. Jourdan, dans la of Bath, but Charles Fysh Palmer, of LuckleyBiogr. Médicale'; Henrion, Annuaire Biogr.'; Park, Berkshire, of the family of Palmer of Querard, La France Litteraire.' Wokingham (see Visit. of Berks,' 1664). CONSTANCE RUSSELL.

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W. B. GERISH. There is a short sketch of Latreille's life and work in Rose's 'Biographical Dictionary,' vol. ix. p. 205 (ed. 1848). J. F. MANSERGH. Liverpool.

REV. GEORGE CROLY, LL.D. (8th S. ii. 446; iii. 32).-Dr. Croly was well known in Paternoster Row as a frequenter of the Chapter Coffee House in his days of early struggle. He attended there on call," so to speak, ready to accept a guinea fee as supply for any incumbent in town or country who suddenly needed a substitute. A. HALL 13, Paternoster Row. E.C.

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AMERICAN COBBLERS (8th S. ii. 528).-The cobbler referred to was Nathaniel Ward, died in land, in 1603; went to Boston, Mass., in 1634; England in 1652; graduated at Cambridge, Engpreached at Ipswich; wrote the 'Great Body of Liberties,' 1641; and then wrote 'The Simple Cobler of Agawam,' which was published in England in 1646/7. His pen name was Theodore (for Nathaniel) de la Guard (for Ward). Agawam is the Indian name for Ipswich. The book is worth reading, and is almost a great achievement

Boston, Mass.


hope FATHER ANGUS will not think me hyper'BECKET' AT THE LYCEUM (8th S. iii. 164).-I

critical if I remind him that as St. Thomas was Imurdered some four hundred years before the pseudo-classicization of the Breviary Hymns in the sixteenth century, the hymn for the day, as sung in Canterbury Cathedral, would have been,

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"hariolation" is in Webster as an obsolete word,
as well as in Bailey, but the noun hariolation
is not the verb "to hariole," and Webster derives
it direct from hariolatio. We have the noun
"tribulation," but not, I think, the verb to
C. C. B.


The word "hariolation" is very much older than either Dr. Wordsworth or the "editio princeps" of Bailey's book. According to Dr. Smith it occurs in Cicero's 'De Divinatione' (i. 31, 66). must refer C. C. B. to the same Latin dictionary of the verb hariolor="to foretell," and, in a 66 to talk nonsense."

for several references to classic authors for the use

without question, the original and ancient hymn
attributed to St. Ambrose, and beginning" Christe
Redemptor omnium, Ex Patre Patris unice," not
the Renaissance version, "Jesu Redemptor
omnium, Quem lucis ante originem," of which
your correspondent cites the first line. The text
of the original hymn exists at Durham and the
British Museum, in MSS. at least as old as the
eleventh century; it was that in use in every
church of Latin Christendom in the time of St.
Thomas, and is still sung in Benedictine choirs all
over the world. Similarly, up to the period of
the Renaissance, the last verse of the hymn sung
on the anniversary of St. Thomas's martyrdom ran
(as it still does in the monastic breviary) “Gloria
tibi Domine," &c., and not as cited in FATHER
ANGUS'S note. I do not suppose that Mr. Irving's
well-known attention to detail extends to such
minutiæ as these. The famous cathedral scene in
his presentment of Much Ado about Nothing
was received with a chorus of praise as a marvel of
liturgical accuracy, but I am told that in Catholic
eyes, at least, some of its details appeared ludi-writer said:-
crously incorrect; one, indeed, so offensively so,
that it was eliminated, if I mistake not, by the
Catholic Lord Chamberlain of the day.



Fort Augustus, N.B. DOCTOR BY ROYAL MANDATE (8th S. iii. 145).— Were there not three separate essays, on gambling, duelling, and suicide? The old Cambridge Calendars' used to tell us, I think, that the author received fifty guineas for each essay, and gave forty guineas, in the whole, to Addenbrooke's Hospital, Cambridge. Dr. Hey was originally of Magdalene, Third Wrangler and Senior Chancellor's Medallist, 1768; Esquire Bedell, 1772.




L. L. K.

PRINTERS' ERRORS (8th S. i. 185, 217; ii. 337, 456; iii. 36, 136).-Another instance-and, curiously enough, once more combining Mr. Chamberlain and the press-can be furnished from the London Letter of the Birmingham Daily Gazette for February 18, the very date upon which the previous one was given in N. & Q.' The

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suggestion that the reverential' burying of the Imperial "Heartily the House enjoyed his [Mr. Chamberlain's] supremacy was but the expression of a Press opinion...... And we don't want Press opinions,' said Mr. Chamberlain'; we can get any number of press opinions from hon. gentlemen.'


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CHANDLER FAMILIES (8th S. iii. 168).—A MatJOHN CUTTS (8th S. iii. 29, 152).-This is the thew Chandler was Mayor of Maidstone in 1703, Lord Cutts who had so large a part in the capture 1712, and 1721. The church plate of Alkham of Buda, and who is mentioned by Brodrick in his Church, Kent, includes a paten which had been a History of the late War,' published in 1713, as domestic salver," the property of Mrs. Elizabeth having been at the siege of Venlo, in 1702, Chandler and her husband, Mr. Matthew Chand-"remarkably eminent in his post." There is a ler, of Maidstone." On the death of the latter his widow married Mr. Ward Slater, who presented this salver to the church in 1732-3.


Maidstone, "HARIOLE" (VERB) (8th S. iii. 86, 154).—My authority is the paragraph in the Daily News to which I referred. I have, however, searched for the word in all accessible dictionaries, without finding it. I believe, moreover, though of this I cannot now be sure, that the writer in the Daily News said or inferred that Dr. Wordsworth himself claimed the word as a coinage of his own. As regards MR. BALDOCK's objection, I may say that

mezzotint portrait of him in armour, engraved by
R. Williams after Wissing. If your correspondent
will give me his address I shall be happy to send
him the extract relating to John, Lord Cutts, from
'The Compleat History of Europe,' which is on
Belsize Avenue, N.W.


ST. VICTOR (8th S. iii. 129).--PHILOTECHNIC asks what is known of the life and history of this saint-a question not easy to answer concisely, considering that the Church honours at least ve saints of this name, including a famous Pope o the second century, an anchoret of the seventh, and three martyrs (known respectively as SS. Victor

of Braga, Milan, and Marseilles), probably all Roman soldiers who suffered at different times during the great Dioclesian persecution. For details of their lives it will be sufficient to refer to the usual well-known sources, such as the Bollandists, Butler's 'Lives,' Tillement, Fleury, or other Church histories of repute. The last two I have mentioned are perhaps more popularly known than the rest. The cultus of St. Victor of Marseilles is (naturally) confined chiefly to the south of France, while his contemporary of Milan is still the favour ite military saint of Lombardy and Northern Italy. The former is variously represented as trampling down a pagan altar, undergoing the amputation of his foot, or with a millstone and sword (the instruments of his martyrdom). In one of the windows of Strasburg Cathedral he appears in the guise of a mediæval knight, in chain armour, with shield and spurs. St. Victor of Milan is introduced into many Milanese pictures as a Moor, wearing the dress of a Roman soldier. According to some authorities he was burned alive in an oven, or in an ox made of metal, and these objects are found in some representations of the saint. OSWALD O.S.B. Fort Augustus, N.B.

There are five saints of this name mentioned in

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Butler's 'Lives of the Saints,' and forty in the list of saints given in August Potthast's Bibliotheca Historica Medii Ævi,' supplement 254. It is, therefore, not easy to identify the person inquired after. If the information given in Butler be not sufficient for your correspondent he had better, taking Potthast's list as a guide, hunt up the various Victors in the Acta Sanctorum,' bearing in mind that the work is still unfinished, ending with the month of October. I believe-but of this I am not quite certain that an index to the 'Acta,' so far as it has yet gone, has been recently published. If so it is sure to be in the British Museum.

It may not be amiss to mention that a St. Victor was patron of the Guild of Millers at Ghent (see Felix de Vigne, 'Gildes et Corporations,' p. 50). Relics of St. Victor were in the old days preserved in the abbey church of Abingdon (see Chron. de Abingdon,' ii. 156, Rolls Series).


PHILOTECHNIC will find all particulars of SS. Victor, of whom six are mentioned, in the Rev. S. Baring-Gould's 'Lives of the Saints.' One of these was Pope A.D. 189. Of the other five, three were soldiers, of whom St. Victor of Marseilles seems best known. St. Victor of Milan is only mentioned among the saints commemorated on May 8. According to Saints and their Symbols,' by E. A. G., St. Victor of Marseilles is represented in armour with a millstone, the instrument of his martyrdom.


DERIVATION OF THE SURNAME TURNER (8th S. iii. 67). Not every Turner owes his name to a

lathe-working ancestor, for, as Mr. Davies wrote in his account of the York press (p. 2)," the elaborate initial and capital letters and floreated marginal borders [in the MSS.] were invented and drawn by the turnours and flourishers," and it is highly probable that they made their impress on the nomenclature of posterity. Mr. Lower ('Patronymica Britannica") says that "those who dislike the plebeian tournure of Turner have contrived to turn it into Turnoure" on the plea that they came from some Tour Noir in Normandy. He states that Turner is one of the most common of surnames, and inclines to agree with Mr. Ferguson that the popularity of tourneys or tournaments had much to do with it. ST. SWITHIN.

Add the German turner, a gymnast; as a verb turnen, and turnverein, a calisthenic club, sadly provocative of heart disease from over muscular exertion. We have the word as tournament, and the patronymic Tourner, so a tilter or spearman; and Halliwell gives tourn for a spinning wheel. This may drag in the "mill rind," and see turnbroche. Wood turners were found in localities where the beech tree flourished. The Turners of the London Guild, incorporated in 1604, but measure makers (wooden pots), &c.

traced as a fraternity to 1310, were described as


PUBLIC SPEAKING (8th S. iii. 69).—" Quot homines, tot sententiæ," on this subject. But STUDENT will find very much of value-especially on the oft-neglected physical side of public speaking-in "The Voice and Public Speaking. A Book for all who read and speak in public. By J. P. Sandlands, M. A." The copy I have is of the third edition (London, Hodder & Stoughton), 1885. Q. V.

One can safely recommend: 'King's College Lectures on Elocution,' by C. J. Plumptre; "The Speaking Voice,' by John Hullah; both high-class works on the subject. Bell's 'Standard Elocutionist' (new edition, 1892) still holds its own as a standard book, and there is a smaller and newer candidate for popular favour, 'Grammar of Elocution,' by John Millard (sixth edition, 1892). EDWARD H. MARSHALL, M.A.


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"HE THAT RUNS, MAY READ (8th S. ii. 529; iii. 92).-Habakkuk ii. 2, bas (A. V.) " he may run that readeth it." Matthews (1537) has the more intelligible "that whoso commeth by, may rede it," i.e., read the vision, "plain upon tables," without pausing. It may interest some of your readers to ascertain the correct original, and account for the difference; but I presume this is the source of the phrase referred to by your correspondents.

Derby Road, S. Woodford.




The Great Book Collectors. By Charles Isaac Elton and
Mary Augusta Elton. (Kegan Paul & Co.)
WE have here the first of the attractive series of books

about books which we noticed as in preparation by
Messrs. Kegan Paul. It appears in a shape dear to
amateurs of books, with goodly type and paper, and with
a solid, plain, tasteful red cover. The work itself is
almost necessarily as much about libraries as about col-
lectors, since such of the works stored by the collectors
of early times as still survive have naturally found their
way into the great libraries. Such knowledge as is pre-
served concerning the Greek and Roman collectors of books
is pleasantly epitomized. It is when we come to subse-
quent times and to collectors such as Jean Grolier, Diane
de Poitiers, and De Thou that the chief interest is in-
spired. Of Diane, whose books, when they come into the
market, fetch marvellous prices, our authors speak as a
true chasseresse des bouquins. The exact phrase scarcely
seems the most appropriate, but she was at least the pos-
sessor of some lovely books. We do not reach quite
modern date, and we hear nothing of the marvellous
books accumulated by poor Turner, or of the even more
ambitious Huth Collection. Our authors have some diffi.
culty in avoiding the ground to be covered by their suc-
cessors, early books being necessarily MSS., and bindings
being practically inseparable from volumes. Books on
the subjects of MSS. and bindings are, however, in pre-
paration. A few well-executed illustrations, portraits,
designs, &c., add greatly to the attraction of a well-written
and eminently acceptable volume.

Book Prices Current. Vol. VI. (Stock.) THIS most useful, and, to a certain class of mind, most entertaining of works has now reached its sixth annual issue. We were among the first to accord it a warm welcome, as the book of all others most delightful and useful to the bibliophile, and we have recorded with pleasure its successive triumphs. To certain minds it must, of course, appear the dreariest of publications, for others it has absolute witchery. No very great sale by auction has taken place, the famous Althorp Library having been sold but escaping dispersal. None the less the number of books registered is very great, and innumerable gems may be picked out. We there find the famous Elzevir collection of Molière's works, Amsterdam, Jacques le Jeune, with the posthumous works in the edition of 1689, the whole in a handsome Trautz Bauzonnet binding. This work has in Paris brought as much as 4,000 fr. In England it brought only 40%. We find a first folio 'Shakspeare,' with some alight imperfections, sold for 2087., and a fourth folio for 31%, and the 1655 Rape of Lucrece' for 177. A first edition of Milton's Paradise Lost,' with the first titlepage, brings 1201., while one with the fifth title-page goes for 197. 10s. One may wade knee-deep in Chaucers, Spensers, Shelleys, and what not, and may smile over the prices that are given for modern illustrated works, especially those of Cruikshank, Mr. Swinburne's 'Atalanta in Calydon' brings 47. to 6l., and his Queen Mother,' 71. 58. Perhaps the most significant thing in the work is that Burton's 'Arabian Nights' fetches 221., while Lady Burton's bowdlerized version brings about the same number of shillings. A goodly number of books appear under the signatures of modern writers, such as Andrew Lang and Austin Dobson, and the list of Dickenses is, of course, interminable. In his preface the editor chronicles the curious fact that a bundle of pamphlets, made up into a parcel and badly catalogued,

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obtained the remarkable price of 867., a scarce American
work in an uncut form, printed by Franklin, having
slipped in among them. Each succeeding volume is
welcome, and adds to the value of a delightful series.

Old Rabbit, the Voodoo, and other Sorcerers. By Mary
Alicia Owen. (Fieher Unwin.)

MISS OWEN is a diligent and careful collector of Negro
folk-lore, as it is known in America, where it is blended
with Indian tradition. The curious stories which she
transmits are told in conclave by five old "aunts" of pure
Negro or mixed Negro and Indian blood, all of them
more or less of witches, and are ushered in by a preface
by Mr. C. G. Leland descriptive of their connexion with
the folk-lore of other countries. Not at all to be confused
with the well-known tales of Brer Rabbit and the like
are these legends concerning the Bee King, the Wood-
pecker, the Blue Jay, the Goose, the Snake, and other
animals, endowed with magical powers. Some difficulty
to English readers is offered by the strange terms em-
ployed and the language generally. Mr. Leland has
done his best to remedy this by explaining such phrases
as he thinks likely to be misunderstood. His views of
difficulty and those of the Englishman do not always
coincide. It is as in the explanations given in foot-
notes to French texts of Molière, words common enough
to Englishmen are explained, and others, which cannot be
guessed at, are left to puzzle him. Concerning the truth
and sincerity of this work no doubt seems possible. We
have here the genuine Negro folk-lore unsophisticated
the genuine student are keen, and it is to be hoped that
with a view to popularize it. Its value and interest to
Mies Owen will give the world the remaining still
more recondite information she is known to possess. A
good many illustrations, altogether in keeping with the
text, are supplied.

The Four Randle Holmes, of Chester, 1571-1707. By J. P. Earwaker, M.A., F.S.A. (Reprinted from Journal, Chester Archæological and Historic Society.) MR. EARWAKER has laid genealogists under a fresh obligation to him by his reprint for private circulation of a paper, read before the Chester Archæological and Historic Society during its session for 1890-91, on that very remarkable family which produced the four generations of antiquaries, heralds, and genealogists bearing the name of Randle Holme.

The family tree is traced back to the latter part of the fourteenth century, when marriage with one of the coheiresses of the manor of Tranmere, in Cheshire, gave Robert de Holme a settlement retained by his descendants down to the time of James I., when it was sold by William, grandfather of Randle Holme I. The literary tastes of the family may, perhaps, be traced back to this William Holme, who was a member of the Companies of Stationers alike of Chester and of London. His grandson, Randle I., was also a member of the Company and the "Painters, Glaziers, Embroiderers, and Stationers" of Chester, as were also the three succeeding Randles. Randle 1. was apprenticed in 1587, probably about the age of sixteen, to an arms painter of Chester, Thomas Chaloner, whose widow he eventually married. It is not without interest to note, at a time when the succession to a long and distinguished tenure of the chiefship of the College of Arms of Ireland has been brought before us, that Thomas Chaloner is stated, on a Holme monument, to have been at one time Ulster King of Arms. The facts of the case might surely easily be verified.

The Chaloner connexion is important in the history of the Holmes, as having in all probability laid the foundation of their subsequent fame as collectors of family history, through the acquisition of pedigrees and notes

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